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Stan Paralikis

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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2009, 01:51:32 PM »


Quote from: POLARACO
Quote from: Sjak Brak
 

 Or do you see a better solution?





Not good.  Then all those Chebby guys will come over from the dark side and drive up our prices.

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2009, 02:05:39 PM »


Got this by googling "Fiat's current health"......

ROME (AP) -- Fiat Group SpA has for the first
time shut down most of its Italian plants for a month, laying off
nearly 50,000 workers for an extended holiday as it copes with the
The
shutdowns through mid January affect 14 of Fiat's 20 Italian plants,
and 48,000 blue collar workers out of its nearly 80,000-strong Italian
Under the temporary layoff
scheme, part of the workers' salaries are paid by a
The
Turin-based automaker also laid off workers for periods this fall as
The
latest production slowdowns came as European car sales dropped 26
percent in November. That includes a 30 percent decrease in Fiat's key
Fiat Group Automobiles said
in a statement Tuesday that despite the drop in sales, its European
market share had improved slightly to 8.3 percent, up from 8.2 percent
Fiat sold 71,000 new cars in
November, down 25 percent from 94,600 a year earlier, for 1.053 million
cars in the first 11 months, down 5.6 percent from 1.11 million in the
Despite
the severity of the current crisis, CEO Sergio Marchionne told workers
in Turin last week that Fiat is well positioned to react due to the
change of mind-set within the once-failing company that has led to its
"The
auto sector has the obligation to find a new type of management that
will bring about consolidation within the next 24 months," Marchionne
He
told Automotive News in an interview last week that "the only way for
"Independence
in this business is no longer sustainable," Automotive News quoted
Marchionne as saying. The remarks have led to a speculation in the
Italian media of possible partners for Fiat.  Jan 2008
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2009, 02:34:15 PM »


"The
auto sector has the obligation to find a new type of management that
will bring about consolidation within the next 24 months," Marchionne
He
told Automotive News in an interview last week that "the only way for
"Independence
in this business is no longer sustainable," Automotive News quoted
Marchionne as saying. The remarks have led to a speculation in the
Italian media of possible partners for Fiat.
[/QUOTE]I've read another interview with this guy, not in English so doesnt make sense to quote it here. But it appears that he doesnt count the current Fiat as a survivor, so not surprising they went looking for a partner. From their point of view, Chrysler is not a bad choice, as there's virtually no overlap in carlines nor in the sales areas.
But fact is that technology could be shared for the carlines (is there a successor already for the Neon & PT Cruiser?) Not only could some Fiat-tech be used in smaller Mopars (I'm thinking of diesel engines and manual gearboxes as these items are mandatory for success in Europe) but also the other way around, Chrysler-parts could make development of a new larger Alfa or Lancia much cheaper.
Also remember that Chrysler is very small over here, only the last few years
there were some minor successes (PT Cruiser, 300-C, Voyager, some Jeeps) but poor

I know we all hate the idea, but this might just save Mother Mopar from bankrupcy.

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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2009, 03:26:51 PM »

Corinthian Leather and Fix-It-Again-Tony.....man what a marriage 

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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2009, 04:25:55 AM »

I agree with Sjak generally, but I do disagree about the obsolecense of
all Big 3 carss - there are exceptions, GM in particular:  the
Malibu, Caddy CTS and Buick Envoy & its clones are all excellent
world class products. Mainly they all need to learn how to make a
decent small car that gets 35 mpg. I'm a real diesel car fan, having
had several Peugeots, who makes an excellent diesel car engine. The new
Accord CleanDiesel is coming here next year. Caddy is rumored to be
using a Fiat diesel (VM Motori) in their upcoming diesel car. Fiat has
them and also the cool small CinqueCento (500). I'm waiting for a
diesel-electric hybrid (like a locomotive, which runs on electric
motors for propulsion, using the diesel strictly for electric
generation) , which makes a lot of sense because they mostly run at
constant rpm.



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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2009, 05:51:01 AM »

Chrysler Suicide Watch 43: Reality Check on the Fiat Deal



            By Justin Berkowitz

      January 26, 2009











According to Automotive News, Chrysler plans to sell up to seven
Fiat/Alfa Romeo-designed models in America. Under this scheme, Chrysler
dealers would flog the Fiat 500, Alfa MiTo, and Alfa 147 replacement.
There’ll also be up to four Fiat-based cars in the A, B, C, and D
segments. Some American car fans are thrilled at the idea of
inexpensive, fuel
efficient, fun-to-drive Italian cars — even if the machines in question
end up as Dodges built in Mexico to Italian blueprints. But that’s
exactly what it is: an idea. And a bad one at that.
The Chrysler - Fiat deal is a lot less than meets the eye. Most
importantly, Fiat isn’t putting a dime on the table. All the costs of
converting any given Fiat/Alfa to a Chyrsler and/or Dodge product would
be borne — again, in theory– by Chrysler. Given Chrysler’s cash
position (i.e. none), given the complexity and expense of creating even
ONE car for the U.S. market, given the cultural and corporate
communications hurdles involved, Chrysler’s promise to deliver the
fruits of this alliance in two years is as optimistic as their electric car “program.”

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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2009, 06:15:13 AM »


NEWS ITEM: Cash strapped Chrysler will use existing tooling to adapt FIATS for U.S. market.




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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2009, 07:13:09 AM »

at least they could get the hubcaps to match......sheesh!

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2009, 01:52:02 PM »


Quote from: firedome
I agree with Sjak generally, but I do disagree about the obsolecense of
all Big 3 carss - there are exceptions, GM in particular:  the
Malibu, Caddy CTS and Buick Envoy & its clones are all excellent
world class products.
IMHO the Malibu is just a clone of the latest Opel Vectra, which has been around for years now, I can hardly call that innovative. But my statement was willingly general, of course not everything from the big 3 is prehistoric.



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The Chrysler - Fiat deal is a lot less than meets the eye. Most
importantly, Fiat isn’t putting a dime on the table. All the costs of
converting any given Fiat/Alfa to a Chyrsler and/or Dodge product would
be borne — again, in theory– by Chrysler. Given Chrysler’s cash
position (i.e. none), given the complexity and expense of creating even
ONE car for the U.S. market, given the cultural and corporate
communications hurdles involved, Chrysler’s promise to deliver the
fruits of this alliance in two years is as optimistic as their electric car “program.”
Dont blame Fiat if they dont want to throw in cash right away. It's their good right to wait for the survival plans first, and only then invest. But there still are some mutual advantages, even if no cash is involved directly. E.g. if both companies would use the small Fiat engines and larger Chrysler engines, both could benefit from that, without having to redesign a Fiat into a Dodge or a Chrysler into a Lancia.

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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2009, 02:07:54 PM »


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at least they could get the hubcaps to match......sheesh!
Reminds me when Ford/Mercury were importing Capris from Australia.  They would arrive in the US with a green interior and a red back seat...

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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2009, 12:44:34 AM »

and right hand steering




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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2009, 02:32:30 AM »

Chrysler MUST come up with some new small cars and it is a lot cheaper
to base them on existing Fiats than to try to develop them from
scratch, which is impossible for them...if it isn't Fiat, it'd probably
be Nissan/Renault, (Chrysler Dauphine anyone?) and Carlos Ghosn is
known as a relentless cost cutter, he'd gut Chrysler and use their
dealer network to flog Sentras.  Justin Berkowitz is a well known
idiot english major car writer type who thinks he is an auto expert
because he can type and drive... hopefully not at the same time.
Chrysler has a long history of selling other people's small cars -
Dodge Colt, etc... it'd be nothing new.

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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2009, 02:33:52 AM »

Oh, and Malibu is not a rebadged Vectra but a completely different car... Saturn is the one using rebadged Opel platforms. 

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