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Steve

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« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2008, 07:40:22 AM »

Define 'Hosed'. Misunderstanding, or a blatant screwing?

I'm bummin'


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« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2008, 07:51:57 AM »

Hey Steve
 
Well Both.  I was buying for two separate cars on the same order.  My mistake.  So they decided, on their own, to make changes to my order.  That caused me to be short shipped and have a pile of wrong parts.  When I discussed it with them, they told me what they did, even though I put it all in writing.  My email to them was so simple a chimp could get it right.  The claimed I was wrong and would not make good for the changes or do any exchanges.
 
So I got irrate with them and they shut me off.  I filed a claim with the credit card company, got my credits because they could not reply in an appropriate manor.  In other words, they were thrying to BS their way out of it.
 
I forgot where I got this gas tank, but it was about 50 cheaper than from him.  I emailed Leaburn for you on a source for the tanks.  I think they come from Canada
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« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2008, 03:36:22 PM »

Spectra Premium manufactures the tanks here in Canada.
 http://www.spectrapremium.com/spectra.html
CR20A with no vents
CR20B with two vents (the most common one )
CR20C with 4 vents
NAPA,O'rielly's or any other major U.S. parts chains uses Spectra as a supplier,so it should be listed and available.
Here's one listed at AutoZone:
http://www.autozone.com/R,1860455/vehicleId,1510102/initialAction,partProductDetail/store,5125/partType,00506/shopping/partProductDetail.htm
FYI,Spectra makes the sending unit brand new as well.Its # is FG148A.
The tank can be pricey-so shop araound or if you have a good mechanic friend or a parts store employee who can get you a deal.
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« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2008, 07:23:39 AM »

Jeez! I just bought a used tank (professionally relined) on ebay for $99 +S&H. Hope I didn't make a mistake trying to save a few (hundred) dollars.

Had no idea these tanks were available!

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1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
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1970 Chevelle 396

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« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2008, 07:42:03 AM »

As long as it has the proper vents on it, you'll be fine with that.
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2008, 06:44:13 AM »

well, um, it has the two vents I need.......PLUS TWO BONUS VENTS! Woo Hoo, now she'll really fly! It's out of a 1970 Monaco. Being that they're vents, I'll just plug the other two I don't need!

The tank also comes with a used sending unit. I bought a new one on ebay anyway.

20' of 5/16" steel fuel line
new lined fuel tank
new sending unit

am I forgetting anything? Oh yes, I knew I had a question here somewhere. I see that 440HP engines has a vapor canister installed between the fuel pump and the carburetor. Mine is missing. Is this a really critical and important component or is it not really necessary? this is going to see duty as a mellow, low-speed cruiser 99% of the time, with the occasional blast just to 'clean off the plugs' as my late grandfather would say when he would bring his new 1976 Dodge Aspen Wagon up on the highway and really let that monster 318 mill have at it. He'd sometimes go as fast as 80 mph!!!!!!!! Ahh the heady days of youth!

But seriously, do I need that canister?


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1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1969 Oldsmobile Delta 88 w/Original B07 Police Package
1970 Chevelle 396

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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2008, 07:38:42 AM »

A "vapor canister"?  Can you take a picture of this?  My '68 NYer (same engine) just had the in-line fuel filter in that location.
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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2008, 02:14:48 PM »

Here's the description from "Year One":

Hemi fuel vapor separator fits 1968-1971 models with 440 engine.  Reproduction.



This
separator serves two purposes - It filters the fuel via a small screen
inside, and returns heat-vaporized fuel back to the fuel tank. This
excellent reproduction is finished in the correct black color, and
features the correct overall shape and lettering.



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1967 Oldsmobile 4-4-2
1968 Plymouth Sport Fury Conv w/Factory 440HP
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1969 Oldsmobile Delta 88 w/Original B07 Police Package
1970 Chevelle 396

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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2008, 02:44:48 PM »

Now I'm cornfoosed.  My '68 NYer had the same engine AND a four vent tank but still ran a single 3/8" in-line filter in the location we are talking about.  Did your Fury come from California?
 
My NYer had a steel vent line that went from the tank and ran around in the trunk under the spare tire before it went back to the tank.  This is with the Chrysler CAP (cleaner air package).  The third line went elsewhere, never smelled fuel.  The last was the engine feed.  My '68 Polara 383 4-V also had the CAP/four vent tank.  Both of these cars implemented a simple inline fuel filter between the pump and carb.
 
As far as the HEMI aspect, those engines ran a lot hotter under expected useage.  I've never seen a fuel filter matching Year-One's description on a 383 or 440 in a C-body.  If the one on your Fury is plugged it may be causing many of the car's problems.
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2008, 03:40:32 PM »

No Matt, mine didn't have one when I got it. But the pump had been replaced, as had the line to the carb.

Did your NY'er have the 440HP or standard 440? Maybe the HP is the key?

I have the 440HP, but I don't know if I need it or not.


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1967 Oldsmobile 4-4-2
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1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1969 Oldsmobile Delta 88 w/Original B07 Police Package
1970 Chevelle 396

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« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2008, 07:23:21 AM »

That NYer had the TNT engine.  Can you post a pic or link to the fuel filter that you found?  I'm curious now...
 
We'll figure it out together
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« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2008, 12:48:00 PM »


Here you go....




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1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1969 Oldsmobile Delta 88 w/Original B07 Police Package
1970 Chevelle 396

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« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2008, 03:17:48 PM »

  I've NEVER seen that fuel filter on a BB C-body.  
 
Where does the third (return) line actually go?  Any help here???? 
 
Seriously, put a standard 3/8" fuel filter in and see what happens.  I'm not a big fan of Y-1 and I've been around enough 440's from that time.  I've NEVER seen a fuel filter like that.
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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2008, 11:31:26 AM »

Whoa, there Matt. It's not a fuel filter. It's called a "Vapor Separator"and is supposedly used on Hemi and 440 performance engines from 1968-71.

That's all I know.

Thanks, Dude.

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Uncle Hulka

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1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1969 Oldsmobile Delta 88 w/Original B07 Police Package
1970 Chevelle 396

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« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2008, 02:58:05 PM »

A vapor separator would possibly have been used on a Hemi, due to the high heat issues from those engines when used as Chrysler had intended.
 
My instinct still tells me that a standard in-line filter should be the only thing between your fuel pump and carb.  Year One isn't too savvy with our cars.  They cater to the "high-performance" A-B-E folks.  Go to NAPA and buy an inexpensive 3/8" in-line fuel filter and see what happens.
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