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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2008, 02:11:59 PM »

Oh, and Steve, that's a US '59 Lincoln, with Russian ad copy for some odd reason. They never made a car like that in good ol' Sovietska Rossiya.
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2008, 03:36:15 AM »

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Ya'll touched on an area of long time great interest to me here...
 
That's great info there.  Thanks.
I've also been interested in foreign clones.  More recently, the Chinese ripoffs from the 70's and 80's.  The did a perfect Jeep Chelokee that Chrysler went ballistic over (NOT to be confused with the Cherokee that Chrysler "authorized" to be built there).
 
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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2008, 04:51:31 AM »

Wow Roger
Good Stuff
 
You wouldn't by chance have a pic of that 70 Dodge copy would you?  They were pretty good looking too.
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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2008, 05:26:39 AM »

Steve - I'll try to dig it up - yeah, that's the one that really
fascinates me too, the one I'd love to have, although don't know how
the h..l you'd find one now, and you'd pay thru the nose.  Since
Packard was gone, evidently the Russkies decided to copy the best,
Mopar! (imo, though, the Packard 374 was the strongest US V-8 ever
built - that sucker weighed near 900 lbs! - it was an incredible engine
in quality of design and construction). I saw some line drawings of the
engine once and it looked like they had direct copied an American
pushrod slipper piston V-8, maybe even a B-block....while the overall
clone was a bit agricultural,  they had good taste! I'm told the
engines were pretty much bulletproof, but are near impossible to get
parts for. Be interesting to see the tranny design too. You'd need to
know a good machinist to own one I'd think...

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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2008, 06:12:30 AM »

Closest I could find, The GAZ 14 Chaika - kinda late 60s Dodge in front, clunky in back:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/4546/frames.html



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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2008, 06:37:55 AM »

Did some digging up of research-



The sorta Polara-in-front car was the GAZ 14 - see previous post for pic link.

Very Polara like drivetrain too. I'd like to own one of these.



The '55 Packard clones were the ZIL-111 and the GAZ 13 - both very
similar, the 3 letters indicating the factory they were made.



A late 30s very US looking car was the ZIS 101



The Gorby car was the ZIL 115  - later renamed ZIL 4104, several different body variants.

These days Putin et al get S-class Mercedes!! FOR SHAME!!!!!!

I think they should clone a '58 IMP Ghia LIMO!!! 



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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2008, 06:43:10 AM »

Back to original topic - I've seen that Plym distortion before - it WAS
a Chinese made car for officials and such, it had some funny name I
recall... looks like a '57 Plaza after a bad acid trip!!! bulged out
hood,  '53 chevy grille and a scooped out bumper with weird end
wings. Uuuuuugly!

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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2008, 05:45:03 AM »

OK.  More research.


 
 
ANOTHER EXAMPLE:
 
Shaghai Auto Works.
 
Theirs:

 
Ours (see any similarities?):
It looks like they took the '54 body and the '55 front end.


 
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2008, 08:32:03 PM »

thats not all... they even stole "married with children"...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/10/world/europe/10sitcom.html?_r=2&emc=eta1&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

i mean c'mon is nothing sacred



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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2008, 03:00:42 AM »

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thats not all... they even stole "married with children"...
 
The average Ruskie should live so good...

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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2008, 07:10:33 PM »



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Quote from: Moesy
They took 3 B-29's, actually.  But converted all the specs and fasteners to Metric system stuff.
 
OK, I need to make a correction.  The three B-29's made emergency landing in Vladivostok, while another had made an emergency crash landing East of Kharbarovsk.  The Soviet's made their TU-4, which was an exact copy of the B-29, and became operational in 1949.

http://www.rb-29.net/HTML/03RelatedStories/03.03shortstories/03.03.10contss.htm

So, to summarize, Big Kahuna, they DID duplicate it.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2008, 06:10:24 PM »

reverse engineering... like regular engineering, but without all that pesky originality...

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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2008, 06:18:08 PM »

ok communist block joke... from good ol' Ronnie Reagan...  loved studying the Cold War...

So the commissar, he see's a man working the fields and calls him over... "sir how are the crops?" he askes... the farmer says "commissar the yield is wonderful..."
"And the potatos?" the commissar pries...
"The potatos, why if you took all the potatos and made a pile, they would reach the foot of God!" says the farmer...
To which the commissar barks... "Farmer, this is the Soviet Union There is no God!".... "that's okay," says the farmer, "there aren't any potato's either...."

classic example of they pretend to pay ya, and you pretend to work...

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