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Author Topic: Russian Miss Belvedere?  (Read 1286 times)

Stan Paralikis

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« on: May 02, 2008, 03:24:54 AM »

I dunno.  You figure it out.
I DO know there's a '57 Plymouth in there somewhere
 

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2008, 03:35:28 AM »

Nice Stan!
That looks a little less rusty than our Miss Belvedere!!
It is funky !!
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2008, 05:07:44 AM »

Look at the roofline and shape of the rear 1/4's and sides of the doors.  It's there .  Even the door handles
 
I forgot the name of that Russian maker of fine automobiles. . .
 
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2008, 05:12:16 AM »

Now you went and done it
 
http://digilander.libero.it/cuoccimix/ENGLISH-automotorusse7(izh).htm
 
Look in there. . . . There's actually a lot of stuff on Russian cars.  Considering they were nationalized soemtime in the 90's. . .
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2008, 09:48:36 AM »

That's cool!  The russians were great copy-cats!  They built around 1000 TU-4's which were identical to our B-29 Super Fortress (they interred one after an emergency landing in east Russia at the end of WWII)  Thier Zil limos from the '50s looked just like Packards too.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2008, 10:17:40 AM »

Ike gave them a 54 or 56 packard and it was in service as a polit bureau car through the mid 80's...




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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2008, 11:14:35 AM »

I'd rather have a 57 Plymouth.

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 01:08:06 PM »


They took 3 B-29's, actually.  But converted all the specs and fasteners to Metric system stuff.

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2008, 01:10:13 PM »

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And they still could not duplicate it
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2008, 03:59:22 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2008, 05:56:54 PM »

Russia and China had no copyright laws and copy cats were common practice.
For example they copied the Fiats and turned them into Lada's
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2008, 06:09:26 PM »

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Russia and China had no copyright laws and copy cats were common practice.
 
Heh
Now there was an example of how smart they were.. .  . Copying a Fiat?  Should have just Hired Tony!
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2008, 09:38:38 AM »

So is that a Ruskie Lincoln?  Or a reprint??
 
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2008, 02:06:28 PM »

Ya'll touched on an area of long time great interest to me here:

The Soviets actually bought an entire auto factory from Fiat that was built by Fiat at Togliatti (a city in the USSR, though it almost sounds Italian) where Ladas, which were Soviet-ized  Fiat 124s , were built.  The late unlamented Yugo (imported by Malcolm Bricklin) was a Fiat 128, built in Yugoslavia... no wonder it was a heap! On the bigger cars:

I've always been interested in the Soviet clones of big US cars, and even started to do research for a book on them in the late '80s before the walls fell. I still have some stuff on them from Library of Congress. Then I got distracted by the electronics writing that I still do for:  http://www.vacuumtube.com   Anyhow, the big cars were for use by top diplomats and heads of state and Politburo bigwigs etc. The last Czar, Nicholas,  liked Packard 12s, and after the revolution, the Soviets, starting with Lenin, always had Pierce Arrows and Packards as state cars, the local USSR industry having nothing comparable.  As WWII began, at the time that Packard brought out the streamlined Clipper line in late 1940, Stalin got FDR to agree, as part of Lend-Lease, to get Packard to send all the body dies from the now obsolete Packard 120/180 series, to a USSR factory, where they produced them as the big ZIL limousine, with a Soviet designed power plant, I believe a Straight 8 engine, up through around 1957. Then a new model was introduced that looked very much like a '55 Packard, but actually wasn't - if you look at the greenhouse and glass and the panel stampings, there are distinct differences.... it was actually a fairly crude copy of the Packard Patrician, a unique totally USSR designed car with an iron V-8. I believe that model was the ZIM.. The really interesting car to us Mopar guys n' gals was made in the mid 70s, I think it was the ZIS, I'm working off memory as all my research notes are stored...which looked like a crude '70 Dodge Polara copy!!  which it loosely was, down to a loop bumper, an all iron V-8 and automatic.  This car was later, in the early 80s, replaced by another big car (no it was not a ZIT!) I think still called a ZIS, not sure, that you can see in quite a few pics from the Gorbachev era, several of these cars were flown to the US for Gorby's meetings with Reagan - had to keep up Soviet prestige  - and which looks like nothing else, but is still quite American in appearance, with a formal lines and angular C pillar very much in the idiom of late '70s US cars, but very distinct and a bit awkward looking, not formally elegant like a '78 Electra for example. The lines didn't quite work together, but it was a very interesting car, a bit Buick like in the rear, and still an iron V-8/automatic... I'm not sure of the model name. But all these cars were in the big ZIL/ZIM/ZIS limited production series. The proles drove Ladas and other pedestrian cheapo cars like the Moskvitch, VAS, and Trabant (found mainly in DDR, but also in USSR).  These are all very interesting cars to me, I've always wanted a ZIM or ZIS. I saw one for sale a couple of years ago. and I'd still like to get much more research done on these big Soviet era cars, and eventually do a book or article. They are quite rare as they were essentially hand fabricated in very small numbers for VIPs only.


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